Lady Gaga popped by The Gayle King Show to talk about “Born This Way,” the accompanying video(s), and her new album — and the talk show host greeted her while still in her Spanx.

“Gaga didn’t even blink — she went, ‘Oh, hi, you look great,’” King said. “Like it’s normal for someone to be greeting you in their underwear, Gaga.”

The two then moved on to more serious topics, starting with her meat dress (Gaga likens it to wearing leather) and the amount of scrutiny placed on her appearance.

“I always like to say people take me too seriously and not seriously enough all at the same time,” Gaga said.

King noted that “Born This Way” is the first time she’s ever heard the word “transgender” used in a song, and the two talked about Gaga’s reasons for speaking to those who have been bullied.

“I really wanted to make a record that was unapologetic and quite literal and really to the point,” Gaga said. She said she wanted to create a cultural, religious experience that doesn’t dance around the issues with poetry or sex.

Gaga also told King there will be two videos for “Born This Way” and she will be releasing a stripped-down version of the song, the proceeds from which she will donate to an organization that fights antigay bullying.

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